“在我不存在之前你愛(ài)我嗎?” 是只能被Julia看到的那個(gè)之前嗎 那恐怕回答不會(huì)是Always/我理想的愛(ài)情是超過(guò)親情友情的 但就只能僅僅是理想
幾個(gè)問(wèn)題:
Vicky絕頂?shù)男嵊X(jué)有什么用嗎?
Julia為什么認(rèn)不出Vicky?
:我想或者Julia是看到賀卡才選擇回來(lái)找Joanne的嗎(賀卡照片上有Vicky?
Joanne為什么游泳?
Joanne怎么搶走Jimmy的?他倆到底為啥在一起?(°_°)
:Joanne是被追求的吧 感覺(jué)Jimmy是喜歡Joanne的 至于Jimmy跟臉臉為啥do 應(yīng)該是Jimmy太累了?
Jimmy最初在消防站上班的鏡頭有什么玄機(jī)嗎?
Vicky怎么知道Julia在湖邊?
最后的小女孩是誰(shuí)?
:我的猜想 或許Vicky收集了那么多媽媽的味道 并不是因?yàn)槭裁葱嵊X(jué) 或許她跟Julia的身份一樣 那可能她也有一個(gè)小女孩兒 /循環(huán)了
……
鏡頭都很好看 配樂(lè)也都蠻好的 片尾的歌好喜歡 嘗試了q音和??都搜不到(;_;) 看完覺(jué)得故事很真
搬運(yùn)保存:
Source://open.spotify.com/playlist/5ve2IBlhCMmfYChztkpwEw?si=aceb870c097343a9
搜了好久,驀然回首歌單就在Spotify,感謝互聯(lián)網(wǎng)。
年度最佳music supervisor電影。
(雖然對(duì)用繁衍/后代來(lái)challenge同性戀有點(diǎn)一言難盡)
《五惡魔》。9分。
蕾亞·梅西斯編劇、導(dǎo)演,阿黛爾·艾克薩勒霍布洛斯、達(dá)芙妮·帕塔基亞主演作品。
這應(yīng)該是我看過(guò)的所有片子中最不同的一部,它給我?guī)?lái)的觸動(dòng)幾乎不亞于過(guò)去任何一部作品。
小女孩維琪極其崇拜和迷戀自己的母親喬安妮,母親是個(gè)游泳教練,業(yè)務(wù)愛(ài)好就是喜歡去阿爾卑斯山腳下的湖里冬泳。維琪還有一種特殊的能力,她能通過(guò)收集親人身上的氣味從而進(jìn)入他們過(guò)去的生活。非常奇幻。
這種如湖面一樣寧?kù)o的生活被姑姑茱莉亞的到來(lái)打破,她剛剛出獄并接受治療回來(lái)。
維琪收集姑姑的氣味,進(jìn)入了她過(guò)去的生活。她看到了令她無(wú)比震驚的過(guò)去——原來(lái)媽媽和姑姑才是真正的親密愛(ài)人。
那么,如果不是因?yàn)榘l(fā)生了什么變故?這個(gè)世界上怎么會(huì)有維琪的存在呢?
而更神奇的是,當(dāng)維琪進(jìn)入姑姑過(guò)去的生活時(shí),姑姑其實(shí)也可以看到她?
這真是個(gè)神奇的故事,尤其是片尾,它令我驚愕,也終于知道為什么片名要譯為《五惡魔》?
說(shuō)實(shí)話看完挺喜歡的,但是看不懂的地方也確實(shí)看不懂…
為什么叫五惡魔?哪里有惡魔???
瓶子哪里來(lái)的?Julia不知道瓶子的存在嗎?知道的話不知道它丟了嗎?Julia提到什么納米什么技術(shù),瓶子是她現(xiàn)在工作的產(chǎn)品?那她不知道作用嗎?
媽媽是怎么把Jimmy搶走的?Jimmy不是一直喜歡毀容姐嗎?毀容以后也喜歡,還doi了呢…如果是因?yàn)镴ulia放火才結(jié)的婚,那不更應(yīng)該娶毀容姐嗎???
結(jié)尾的小女孩是誰(shuí)?我傾向于聞到瓶子的當(dāng)下發(fā)生穿越,所以應(yīng)該是從未來(lái)穿越回來(lái)的,那么只能是Vicky再大一些or誰(shuí)的下一代
還有好些設(shè)定太巧合了,鋪墊的太刻意了,沒(méi)有必要
電影整體節(jié)奏和設(shè)定還蠻喜歡的
Slashfilm記者Lex Briscuso采訪演員阿黛爾、導(dǎo)演蕾雅·梅西斯、共同編劇保羅·圭哈姆。
關(guān)于電影的主題、片名的意義、演員的選擇、表演的感受、對(duì)觀眾的期望。
原文鏈接:Slashfilm
截取部分問(wèn)題,以下是采訪原文:
Lex Briscuso: How was this story born from within you? What influenced you or inspired you? It's a very unique story yet it plays with a lot of really universal themes.
蕾雅·梅西斯: The idea came from a personal interest. You know, I've always been very interested in smells and aromas and scents since I was a child. I used to play with my twin sister and we [would] concoct different potions and try to make up cigarettes with flowers that we picked up in the grass and in the wilderness. It's an interest that I've been cultivating up to now. I like to guess the elements that make up a perfume on someone, or the smells that I smell in the street. But, I did not want to set a film in the perfumery industry. I wanted it to be a more primal, primitive story, more central and sensory oriented.
So I had this idea of having this little girl with these unusual powers, and the character was much influenced by the fact that I was reading a lot of American literature at the time, James Baldwin, Jim Harrison, and Maya Angelou. In those novels, the fact that the characters and the places become legends and they deal with universal themes is what really inspired me. So, I wanted this little child to wonder where she's coming from, and to wonder the extent of her mother's love, a mother who somehow is hiding a secret, and she knows that she's hiding a secret. She's trying to do all she can in order to disclose [her mother's] past.
Lex Briscuso: 'The Five Devils' being the name of the sports center, and even the lake, is incredibly clever, especially because it ties into the five leads of the film. Why did you settle on this title? And were there ever any other titles that you considered?
蕾雅·梅西斯: I don't know how we thought about it. I later realized that it's five characters, actually. It's another element that reminds us of the figure. I like those kinds of titles, though. When I was looking for them, I thought about [Ingmar Bergman's] "The Seven Seal," for instance. I like titles that are made of numbers and words that somehow make us think about legendary things.
Lex Briscuso: What made you want to open the film with that image of Adèle [as Joanne]? It's incredibly powerful and it sucks you right into the film. It also plays into the theme of the gaze, which I feel is so prevalent in this film. Everyone is just staring at each other down a lot of the time.
蕾雅·梅西斯: It was the first image that I had in mind when I started writing. This young woman turning in front of the fire and yelling. I was [starting from] [starting from] this specific image [through which] I developed the screenplay. And then I read a novel by a French thinker and intellectual that's called "The Sexual Night." It's Pascal Quignard. He talks about the invisible scenes, the scene that all children dream of being able to watch. And they cannot, because it's something that precedes their birth and so they can never see it. But it's a scene that is very violent. It's the symbol of total chaos with fire and massacre and a lot of violence.
Of course, it's the scene that cannot be seen because [it's] the scene of the intercourse that allowed the child to be conceived and the child is not entitled to see it. But it's that kind of primal and primitive image that I thought of. I thought it was a good way of starting the film. It sets us immediately [into] the main theme of the film, about the quest for the mother and what she's hiding. And it allowed us to be with that image throughout the film. [When] we meet Joanne in the swimming pool and we see her eyes and her gaze, we know that we have seen that scene originally. So it accompanies us.
Lex Briscuso: What do you both want the audience to take away from the ending of this film?
蕾雅·梅西斯: What I like the audience to feel is that when they walk out of the theater, [they feel] that they experienced a very strong, even funny moment with strong emotions. But then I would love them [in] a few hours to ponder, to go back on it and have other emotion surfacing and meditations and thoughts for thoughts.
阿黛爾: What I like in this movie, and that's what I love in [Lea's first feature] "Ava," is that it's playful. Like you participated. It's more something growing up inside you after. I would be excited that people might think through stuff. But to be honest, it's the fact that you can take a direction in your life. And sometimes we don't ask ourselves, "But what if [I do] this?" Secondly, it's a movie where I'm going out and I'm asking myself questions, but not just like, "Who is this girl?" The most important [thing for people to take away] is just keep working and asking questions.
看了一些評(píng)論~似乎都沒(méi)說(shuō)到重點(diǎn)~結(jié)尾出現(xiàn)的小女孩就是女主女兒的姑姑~這個(gè)家族并不是只有那個(gè)女兒發(fā)現(xiàn)了回到過(guò)去的秘密~姑姑看到女主女兒很害怕的原因就是~知道自己不可能和女孩母親在一起了~女兒出現(xiàn)就意味著和情人最終沒(méi)能在一起~想放棄又難以割捨·姑姑的能力已經(jīng)不只是回到過(guò)去~還可以看到未來(lái)~她看到女孩為什麼不告訴情人看到的是誰(shuí)~這就說(shuō)明她知道是情人的女兒~自己的侄女~姑姑小的時(shí)候就看到了一切~卻不能改變~畢竟是自己的侄女~改變一切等於殺了侄女~姑姑不喜歡侄女~是因?yàn)樗龏Z走了自己的所愛(ài)~但也不能恨侄女~那是自己的親人~內(nèi)心非常矛盾和糾結(jié)~而最後一幕~爸爸抱著女兒快樂(lè)的玩耍~姑姑小的時(shí)候就已經(jīng)看到了~最終女兒希望姑姑活著~父親的悲傷也被女兒的愛(ài)所拯救~兩個(gè)人都放手讓媽媽和姑姑追求幸福~算是圓滿的結(jié)局吧~
終于有只屬于女性的俄狄浦斯了。vicky制造的數(shù)次閃回好像一個(gè)外祖母悖論,如果我的母親選擇了她的同性愛(ài)人,我還會(huì)存在嗎?但美妙的是她并沒(méi)有停在這里,而是問(wèn),如果我不存在,媽媽你還會(huì)愛(ài)我嗎?所以vicky與茨威格愛(ài)寫(xiě)的攪局男孩不同,這是一種只關(guān)乎于愛(ài)慕而非占有的嫉妒,因?yàn)閶寢尣⒉荒鼙谎b進(jìn)罐子,是她皮膚的氣息連同女兒的神秘嗅覺(jué)一起完成了母親的定義。所以也只有女兒可以通過(guò)“我之前”黑色的瓶子聞到媽媽曾經(jīng)的可能性。最后的開(kāi)放性結(jié)局很有意思,Julia看到的女孩一直不是Vicky,也就是說(shuō),引向既成事實(shí)的并不是穿越的事實(shí),我只能說(shuō),她的樣貌和膚色好像是Julia和Joanna共同的孩子。PS:阿黛爾美的要命,章魚(yú),跑調(diào),光線里的蝴蝶骨,我還是覺(jué)得她有一張真正圣母的臉。
編劇真的很好,巧妙地融合了性別性向、種族移民各種議題,最終形成一個(gè)憂郁的循環(huán)。除了缺點(diǎn)史詩(shī)味,可以稱(chēng)得上是小《暴雨將至》
真姬不怕火煉,真姬不畏水寒,真姬無(wú)人能擋,真姬愛(ài)滿陽(yáng)間
A total eclipse of the heart(阿黛爾又演拉拉
剛開(kāi)始我還以為小女孩有點(diǎn)戀母情結(jié),后來(lái)知道她對(duì)氣味敏感以后才覺(jué)得稍微合理一些。整部劇邏輯還是能自洽的,我其實(shí)julia是有備而來(lái),她看到賀卡上面的vicky跟自己十年前見(jiàn)過(guò)的一樣,才想到重回故地,這也解釋了為啥當(dāng)她見(jiàn)到vicky本人時(shí)沒(méi)有驚訝,我甚至懷疑她也可以通過(guò)棕色瓶子里面的特殊氣味穿越,她一直帶著那個(gè)棕色瓶子,代表她也是靠回憶過(guò)去而活,沒(méi)想到讓小女孩作為釀成悲劇的工具了。至于最后結(jié)局處的小女孩,也許是vicky的孩子或者跟她有關(guān)的人,也是偶然回到過(guò)去,但又是一場(chǎng)悲劇的開(kāi)端。 每個(gè)人都是為了自己的私欲,每個(gè)人都是惡魔。 不得不說(shuō),電影配樂(lè)和取景真驚艷,好久不看電影,巨幕的觀影效果太贊了。
又名《嗅覺(jué)神探》
大冤種同夫和女兒的一生…哈哈好狗血的故事,黑人男主明知妹妹跟自己的白人老婆有一腿,還留她住在家里?閉塞的湖畔小鎮(zhèn)美麗卻壓抑。小女孩收集人身上的氣味,然后聞一下就能穿越回到過(guò)去這個(gè)設(shè)定蠻有意思的,可惜后來(lái)沒(méi)有更多有趣的展開(kāi),停留在了狗血多角關(guān)系上。阿呆已經(jīng)擺脫不掉拉拉氣了(電影節(jié)神茶還是能寬松點(diǎn))
立足孩童視角揭秘一段塵封「往事」,過(guò)程卻頗為玄幻。以「氣味」為引刺探心魔,看來(lái)歐洲人的「香水?!构皇沁^(guò)不去了。導(dǎo)演審美值得點(diǎn)贊,視聽(tīng)、節(jié)奏、色彩、攝影、配樂(lè)均一流水準(zhǔn),并能夠在同質(zhì)化作品橫行的當(dāng)下(《小媽媽》等)以獨(dú)特手段呈現(xiàn)多重元素,將家庭友情真愛(ài)等雜談合理串聯(lián),這便已屬不易,相當(dāng)值了。(忍痛扣半星在邏輯推進(jìn),左思右想也難以說(shuō)通自己信服)
#BJIFF#低配驚悚版《奧林匹亞街區(qū)》+《小媽媽》,看完最直觀的感受是,原來(lái)你們歐洲作者電影的同質(zhì)化也這么嚴(yán)重哇(不過(guò)導(dǎo)演確實(shí)是《奧林匹亞街區(qū)》的編劇就是了,只是導(dǎo)演能力尚處在起步階段)驚悚片時(shí)刻出現(xiàn)的時(shí)候尚存驚喜,越靠后越往普世價(jià)值走,然后就變得異常普通了
博人眼球罷了。
No.9191. #12nd BJIFF# 前入圍2022導(dǎo)演雙周。這片怎么能過(guò)北影節(jié)的審可能是今年最大的未解之謎之一,內(nèi)地大銀幕上看女女激吻且不止一次且明確說(shuō)了是同性戀……嗯其實(shí)還是挺難得的體驗(yàn)吧(因此可以加到四星了)。片子本身其實(shí)不如導(dǎo)演前作《艾娃》,時(shí)間線的寫(xiě)法還不錯(cuò),奇情狗血有余,設(shè)定其實(shí)算是對(duì)《香水》的一個(gè)非常有意思的發(fā)展,但是最后套是沒(méi)解的(表明解了那不能算)。視聽(tīng)上也沒(méi)有前作那么多炸裂式的段落(當(dāng)然用上BGM歌曲就馬上不一樣了?。?/p>
#2022BJIFF#首尾互文的暗黑女同故事,視聽(tīng)效果大于內(nèi)容。把香味連接記憶的這種通感影像化挺新奇的,Adèle的兔牙好可愛(ài)
#BJIFF12#元素太多,很多天花亂墜的劇情以外的東西,只有故事線沒(méi)有劇情,邏輯和情感共鳴都因故事的不完整而成了硬傷。雖然觀賞性很高,你不能讓我光看個(gè)花活集錦。
7.0 某種《閃靈》的衍生,不乏虛張聲勢(shì)的橋段(開(kāi)頭尤其),但能把這樣一個(gè)將秘密全盤(pán)平攤的劇本拍得足夠吸引人還是有點(diǎn)本事的,讓同性和母女之情混雜在了一起,結(jié)尾多此一舉了。
氣味作為通道,讓女孩化作幽魂,在兩個(gè)時(shí)空穿梭旁觀并最終成為旋轉(zhuǎn)的一環(huán)。從地緣角度切入,山湖夾角下的陰郁小鎮(zhèn),巧妙的呈現(xiàn)膚色性向移民親子等問(wèn)題,營(yíng)造出日常中的驚悚感。我們停滯不前,沉溺過(guò)去,其實(shí)只是丟了自我,陷于庸常。音樂(lè)大贊,希望有膠可收。
Vicky這配魔藥水平不去霍格沃茨可惜了
維琪視角是不斷回到過(guò)去,不斷了解母親和自己姑姑之間曾有過(guò)的情感。姑姑小時(shí)候的模樣出現(xiàn)在結(jié)尾,她凝視著自己的侄女和自己的哥哥,她在成長(zhǎng)的過(guò)程中一直知道這些,她預(yù)見(jiàn)了自己未來(lái)。驚悚感來(lái)自鏡頭選擇、剪輯和配樂(lè)共同作用。人們?cè)谝恍┨囟顟B(tài)下發(fā)現(xiàn)的真相,卻往往被視作瘋子。這些嚇人的瘋狂背后其實(shí)暗藏了非常溫暖人心的力量。姑姑沒(méi)有為了自己和喬安娜在一起而損害侄女,她和喬安娜都做不到。但是結(jié)尾留了一個(gè)希望。維琪不也是通過(guò)不斷發(fā)現(xiàn)過(guò)去真正了解了母親嗎?是有點(diǎn)融合了《小媽媽》的意思。
好俗套的故事啊……視聽(tīng)也沒(méi)看出來(lái)什么亮點(diǎn),女孩通過(guò)物品通感來(lái)進(jìn)行時(shí)空轉(zhuǎn)換的設(shè)定也太落伍了吧,20年前的游戲都不玩這個(gè)了。因?yàn)檫^(guò)于無(wú)聊以至于兩位女主唱著心之全蝕的時(shí)候我只想在影院座位上魂穿TDV……8.13北影節(jié)
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“被棄”的薇琪和父親抱團(tuán)取暖,他們身后憑空出現(xiàn)了另一個(gè)女孩,這最后一幕其實(shí)就是點(diǎn)題:薇琪并沒(méi)有穿越到過(guò)去成為只有朱莉亞才能看到的魔鬼,薇琪只是朱莉亞的心魔;而另一個(gè)女孩則是薇琪的心魔——她已經(jīng)跟朱莉亞一樣感受到了愛(ài)的恐懼——因?yàn)閻?ài),所以恐懼。