殺死好朋友的故事被拍成一個(gè)男人自我毀滅的故事。

  貝爾強(qiáng)健的體型，脆弱的大腦代表著美國(guó)？美國(guó)人？

  從片頭的夢(mèng)境到求職的遭遇到到哥們的點(diǎn)題（從墨西哥回來哥們分別時(shí)的忠告：“你該去看心理醫(yī)生；你應(yīng)該去告軍隊(duì)；告那場(chǎng)戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)”）。導(dǎo)演不厭其煩的告訴觀眾：他的精神心理缺陷，他的自毀型人格，是國(guó)家，軍隊(duì)，政府造成的。

  用中國(guó)話說是“點(diǎn)背應(yīng)該怨社會(huì)”。導(dǎo)演有點(diǎn)憤青啊！

  還有一條脈絡(luò)是主人公在女人方面的不成功，他和過去的女人，現(xiàn)在的女人，包括朋友的女人的結(jié)果都是災(zāi)難性的。他的這種缺陷光用戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)經(jīng)歷來解釋有點(diǎn)牽強(qiáng)，最起碼闡述的不夠。

  應(yīng)該是導(dǎo)演專注于表現(xiàn)男人間的情感。兄弟情，戰(zhàn)友的默契，哥們義氣。男人間超越利益的那么一點(diǎn)美好的東西。結(jié)果卻造成了男人的失敗。

  殘酷的青春原因是不成熟。是不是美國(guó)的腐朽讓美國(guó)長(zhǎng)不大？導(dǎo)演也解答不了。（理想國(guó)在墨西哥，人間仙境一樣的窮鄉(xiāng)僻壤）

  結(jié)尾回家找老婆的橋段我覺得是添足。有制片方審查的影子。主流價(jià)值觀的強(qiáng)大說明美國(guó)人并不覺得生活在 Harsh Times。


  

被射中腳踵阿喀琉斯
  
   鄧肯現(xiàn)已入土為安
   紛繁動(dòng)蕩的人生已經(jīng)結(jié)束，如今他安眠九泉
   弒上毒謀業(yè)已得逞，什么鋼刀什么毒丸，
   什么內(nèi)亂，外禍，無論什么，再也不能對(duì)他造成災(zāi)患
                                               《麥克白》


       當(dāng)我自己憑著腦子里的一個(gè)閃念寫下這個(gè)標(biāo)題，就覺得有些裝13.阿喀琉斯是英雄，是冥河水中浸泡，烈火煉出來的希臘神人，克里斯丁貝爾飾演的海灣戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)老兵算得了什么？洛杉磯的無業(yè)游民？還是灣區(qū)的小流氓？還是一個(gè)殘缺人格的瘋子？
      對(duì)了，殘缺的，正是阿喀琉斯的腳踵，所以當(dāng)我們看到荷馬史詩中阿喀琉斯被阿波羅射中腳踵的時(shí)候都惋惜不已。一位作戰(zhàn)勇猛，對(duì)敵人如風(fēng)卷殘?jiān)评淇?，?duì)同志如春風(fēng)化雨般溫暖的古希臘戰(zhàn)士，終于被腳踵這小小的弱點(diǎn)所打敗。是所謂千里之堤潰于蟻穴如此云云。
       而克里斯丁貝爾殘缺的，是在戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中失去的靈魂，滿手蘸滿鮮血的戰(zhàn)士，在記憶中閃回的總是屠殺，屠殺，再屠殺?；貒?guó)之后，飽受精神創(chuàng)傷的老兵卻又面臨工作碰壁，愛人無法移民的境地。于是在暴力與壓力催化之下，如同被射中腳踵的阿喀琉斯，終于走向了自我滅亡之路。
       片中讓我感到枯燥的，是二人在車中的對(duì)話，夾雜著洛杉磯南岸俚語的兩個(gè)男人互相鼓勵(lì)，卻又共同墮落，酒精，煙草，大麻，一切可以麻醉自我，讓自己忘卻生活的煩惱的催化劑，他們都使用，所有對(duì)這些軟性麻醉劑的強(qiáng)迫式依賴，真正反映出的是他們滿目瘡痍的內(nèi)心。搶劫小混混，飆車，買賣槍支，他們走在了社會(huì)秩序的邊緣，可他們摻雜著希望卻又充滿絕望的冗長(zhǎng)對(duì)話卻又吸引了我，我不想提男性荷爾蒙之類的屁話，可某些默契，終究還是只有男人才懂的。
      擁有家庭的弗雷迪·羅德里格斯是克里斯丁貝爾的摯友，陪著他整日墮落，在他的精神即將崩潰之時(shí)拉他一把，并且最終在他失控之后將重傷的摯友殺死，我想支撐他的，應(yīng)該是背后那位”絕望主婦“伊娃飾演的妻子。而正如導(dǎo)演的靈感一閃所促成的結(jié)局-----殺死自己的朋友，是怎樣的感覺？
      并非是瘋狂而殺，而是不得不殺，這才是悲哀。似乎從一開始就注定了克里斯丁貝爾之死,因?yàn)樗缫驯贿^去的惡魔所環(huán)抱，他的瘋狂，他于社會(huì)的格格不入，已經(jīng)將他推向了死亡的邊緣。
      當(dāng)手槍已經(jīng)指向自己深愛的人時(shí)，一切就已經(jīng)結(jié)束。
      所以當(dāng)他被那個(gè)老人一發(fā)散彈槍擊穿肺葉時(shí)，未嘗不是一種幸運(yùn)之死，死在自己最愛的朋友身邊，再也不用再次被送上哥倫比亞的修羅場(chǎng)，成為一個(gè)自己都痛恨的修羅。
      于是阿喀琉斯倒下了，他的腳踵早已傷痕累累，但他無怨無悔。
      最后的畫面，當(dāng)我看到弗雷迪·羅德里格斯狂奔著，滿面淚痕地跑向自己的妻子，自己的家庭，自己唯一可以依靠的東西，擁抱著伊娃痛哭失聲時(shí)，不由得想，他也未嘗不是幸運(yùn)之子。
      至少，他有個(gè)溫暖的懷抱。

沒個(gè)戰(zhàn)場(chǎng)都有這樣的殺人瘋子。
看看他們的現(xiàn)實(shí)生活吧！有些是他們無法控制的。
有些他們做的并不是自己想做的。
關(guān)鍵是他們無法控制自己?；蛘邲]人帶他們走出來。
或者說這一切都是政府的錯(cuò)。都是他們灌輸了一種錯(cuò)誤的理念。
這樣的朋友讓人恐懼，更讓人心碎。

最后一個(gè)是我回的，ID“he_lao_liu”。

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Argument for people who didn't like. READ
  by keyzersoze21 5 days ago (Sun Jun 17 2007 17:31:41) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
 
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I have to disagree with people's complaints about this movie. I can name a few parts where the acting is undeniably good especially in the last half hour. Bale's accent does sound kind of awkward at first but I think that's because it's just another mask like somebody else said, him trying to be someone else. It's also funny that it seems like everyone who actually lives in LA says the accents are spot on and everyone who says it's off doesn't. This movie is brilliant and if you don't like it it's just not for you or you didn't get it but it is by no means a bad movie. Bale's performance may not be flawless like it usually is but altogether he is very believable. It helps if you know people similar to his character but I think alot of us do. I think if you hated it maybe you should give it a second chance.

"you are the devil, we are the D"
 Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
  by WarriorSaint 4 days ago (Mon Jun 18 2007 12:53:26) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
 
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I couldn't agree with you more, my friend.

I live on the outer edge of the ghetto, but not in LA, in the bay area. I still felt that the accents were okay though and that wasn't even my thing. The thing I hated the most is people who seem to have no clue what those areas and the people in them are like. I hear so many people complaining about the choices the characters make, how stupid they are, etc.

I'm like guys, just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks.

But hey to each their own.

I just wanted to compliment you and am glad to see someone GET'S IT!

Kill Pedro....Napoleon Dynamite SUCKED!!!
 Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
  by he_lao_liu 9 minutes ago (Fri Jun 22 2007 22:01:18)
 
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I cannot agree with you two more...

to WarriorSaint:
I love your "just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks", very very true.
Your attitude about movies is kinda like normal common sense, which every movie viewer should have. But when some people are angry with the movie, they suddenly totally forget their "NORMAL" common sense--they merely want to give vent to their own anger--so they just "UGLY" the movie, this is many many people's doing, I myself have done this kinda things several times (of course, not toward Harsh Times) too. So, in deeper sense, we understand them.

to keyzersoze21:
I totally agree with you except the "a second chance" thing...Everyone has his own taste, feel, sense, etc...In a word, people are different. So there are totally different opinions toward the same movie, this is possible, actually very normal. especially when someone already had a bad expression by the first viewing, a second chance will hardly make any change--maybe just make the expression worse. But nothing is impossible, changes sometimes may happen, I had experienced once.

And about Training Day. Training Day is better in directing, filming and other technical things. But Training Day never tries to really unravel the true and ugly side of life. I very agree that Training Day is a successful commercial movie, but it cannot really touch viewer's heart. Harsh Times, tries to do something deeper. As a first directing film, it has some flaws, but at some points (especially the last half hour), it can make viewer's heart really feel. Anybody feels this would agree this is far more important and precious. So all in all, I like Training Day, but I love Harsh Times.

    本文有部分劇透，不喜勿看。
    起初看到這部電影的介紹，直接無視掉了，后來隨著《蝙蝠俠》《金陵十三釵》《機(jī)械師》等片的上映，讓我記住了貝爾這個(gè)超級(jí)演技派的表演實(shí)力。后來再次看到這個(gè)《非常時(shí)期》發(fā)現(xiàn)它有著精彩的一切元素：獨(dú)立制片，實(shí)力演員，貝爾已經(jīng)有了相當(dāng)?shù)拿麣?，?yīng)該有很多的電影可以去選擇，既然他選擇了這部電影，就一定有過人之處。
    開始觀看以后，一種失望之情爆發(fā)出來，雖然貝爾的演技沒得說，演啥像啥，但是我對(duì)他為什么接拍這部電影很疑惑，前100分鐘的時(shí)間，就是一連串的變換背景音樂下幾個(gè)成年混混在調(diào)皮搗蛋，滿嘴臟話，一無是處，就像是當(dāng)代的嬉皮士?？谖吨?，讓人難以接受，難道兩個(gè)多小時(shí)的時(shí)間就是看一部他們?cè)谙购[的b級(jí)片嗎？這不浪費(fèi)我的時(shí)間嗎？甚至對(duì)兩個(gè)男主角，我依然沒有同情，我和那個(gè)律師女朋友的觀點(diǎn)是一樣的，他們?yōu)槭裁凑也坏焦ぷ?，全是他們咎由自取，整天閑逛瞎胡鬧不干正經(jīng)事能找到工作嗎，所有的現(xiàn)狀是他們自己造成的，怨不得別人。如果把胡鬧閑逛的時(shí)間用來正經(jīng)找工作，學(xué)習(xí)，一定會(huì)不一樣的。
    直到結(jié)尾，貝爾突然失控，死亡，我被震撼了，敢情前面所有的一切都是為了最后的高潮做的鋪墊，這真的是一部超級(jí)黑暗的虐心片的，我郁悶啊，還不如看到一半直接刪了，也不至于讓我這么難受。導(dǎo)演的苦心我也能理解一些了，不是他們不想就業(yè)，是不能就業(yè)，他們自身的原因只是很小的一部分。一個(gè)飽受戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)創(chuàng)傷的戰(zhàn)士，當(dāng)兵的時(shí)候就是政府的殺人工具，在退役回來以后卻被無情的拋棄，連個(gè)工作都找不到，找到的只有歧視和不公平的對(duì)待，他已經(jīng)一無是處，唯一能拿得出手的只有他的殺人機(jī)器能力，所以他被派往哥倫比亞。這是他無法接受的，也是他不得不接受的，他只有妥協(xié)?？纯串?dāng)時(shí)美國(guó)的社會(huì)環(huán)境，失業(yè)率已經(jīng)達(dá)到了10%，有這部電影已經(jīng)不足為怪了。吉姆最后必將走向毀滅之路，因?yàn)樗呀?jīng)無路可走了。電影可以說是一部退伍老兵的失控歷程，所有的一切都失控了，工作失控，朋友失控，連最信任的墨西哥女人也失控背著他壞了孩子，所有的一切已經(jīng)都不在掌握了，唯一的道路就是毀滅。最后的悲劇結(jié)局，是政府，社會(huì)，環(huán)境和個(gè)人的共同造就的。這部電影，絕對(duì)是超級(jí)經(jīng)典的佳作。